The state of Post-OSR content

[Beoric]

sorry dude, I think I'm prosecuting a proxy-insurgency against Squeen and Prince through you. It's super passive aggressive.

Yeah, seriously, there is no general dunk on the multiverse. Squeen trashed it almost a month ago, and of course he did; squeen has a very selective memory when it comes to his worship of Gygaxe-who-can-do-no-wrong-except-I-pretend-there-are-no-psionics-or-mulvitverse-or-candy-classes-or-other-stuff-I-don't-like. Nobody else has actually said anything negative, even when they quoted him.

Before I stopped watching them (after The Force Repeats), there were precisely 2 good Star Wars movies and one good not-a-Star-Wars movie.

Episode 4 was good. Episode 5 was very good. Episode 6 was meh. Episode 1 was inane.

Episode 2 was really awful. I was particularly annoyed when Padme, who is at least 10 years older than Anakin and was smart and tough as nails in Ep 1, has her brains leak out her ears and become utterly useless. Bad life choices? How about dating the whiny brat you used to babysit?

Episode 3 was also pretty bad. Anakin's descent into the dark side was pretty unbelievable; not exactly Michael Rosenbaum in Smallville, was it? Anakin wasn't the only one screaming at the end of that movie.

Episode 7: as my teenage daughter said at the time, "At least they get points for recycling?"

Rogue One was very good, but thematically not a Star Wars movie. It had more themes from Star Trek or actual war movies. Squeen just doesn't like anything that deviates from expectations.

 

[squeen]

"This is to say, not everyone survives a vibe shift. The ones still clinging to authenticity and fairy lights are the ones who crystallized in their hipsterdom while the culture moved on. They “bunkered down in Greenpoint and got married” or took their waxed beards and nautical tattoo sleeves and relocated to Hudson. And by that law, those who survived this shift only to get stuck in, say, Hypebeast/Woke — well, they’ve already moved to Los Angeles to houses that have room to display their sneaker collections worth a small fortune. "

I was 12-year-old geeky outcast liking something the mainstream looked down their nose at. The term hipster hadn't even been invented yet.

 

[squeen]

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Rogue One was very good, but thematically not a Star Wars movie. It had more themes from Star Trek or actual war movies. Squeen just doesn't like anything that deviates from expectations.

Wrong on nearly all counts...but especially the last point. You have no clue.

 

[The1True]

If you want to learn to play Dungeons and Dragons from me I'll be teaching you from the Rules Cyclopedia

I'm thinking about starting my kids with the BECMI red-box as a great set of training wheels.

 

[The1True]

I think the editions wars are small fry to the can of worms you just unleashed

OMG you were SO right!

 

[squeen]

Despite the apologists claims, Rogue One was also a terrible war movie---slo-mo imagery does not a film make. Wanna be garbage.

 

[The1True]

Before I stopped watching them

So we're clear where I stand on all this. Star Wars movies are like movies with swords in them for me. (I mean I guess the lightsabers do count as swords so redundant statement?). Basically movies with swords start at a baseline of 3/5 for me. I even liked Conan the Destroyer. Hell, even The Beastmaster had its moments. ffs, I even liked Deathstalker!

 

[The1True]

Despite the apologists claims, Rogue One was also a terrible war movie---slo-mo imagery does not a film make. Wanna be garbage.

Still better than Solo. That actor looked like a freak. I couldn't get past that.

 

[squeen]

That's not quite it. Also, there is room in the world for people with different opinions. We don't need to go around declaring that people of full of themselves if they like something that you don't like. Otherwise I could say you are full of yourself with 1e.

There are, but refusing to study and learn for the past is arrogant in the extreme.

 

[squeen]

Still better than Solo. That actor looked like a freak. I couldn't get past that.

Sorry, but also wrong. Solo was a much better crafted movie by a master film maker. It also reintroduced "fun" back into the franchise.

The actor choice was...um..unfortunate...on that we can agree. Harlson was eceptional.

 

[The Heretic]

I was 12-year-old geeky outcast liking something the mainstream looked down their nose at. The term hipster hadn't even been invented yet.

You're nitpicking. It applies. There was the original D&D vibe which you loved. The vibe shifted to something different (Plots! 2e!) and you did not follow the vibe. Totally understandable.

 

[squeen]

You're nitpicking. It applies. There was the original D&D vibe which you loved. The vibe shifted to something different (Plots! 2e!) and you did not follow the vibe. Totally understandable.

Then why choose a quote that denigrates those who did not choose the new crap-vibe?
Talking out of both side of your mouth.

The orginal D&D was an oddity...lightning in a bottle. It's not surprising that the mainstream didn't take to it. What followed was banal and ordinary. How you blame someone for not "moving on" to keep up with vapid trends?

 

[The Heretic]

Still better than Solo. That actor looked like a freak. I couldn't get past that.

Solo looked extremely stupid. They didn't learn one of the lessons of the prequels. It is better to keep the mystery of what happened before the original trilogy. Instead when you reveal the story before the story, you lose the mystique. You make it pedestrian.

Solo seemed like a slam dunk since Han Solo is the most popular character from the original trilogy, but that was another reason why the movie failed. People have very strong opinions about Han Solo and what they think his history should be. It was primed to fail.

 

[squeen]

I didn't care about canon in a cultist way..it was a good movie that captured the spirit the franchise much in the same way Manadlorian did---which also exposes the lie about untouchable backstory.

Rejected.

 

[The Heretic]

Then why choose a quote that denigrates those who did not choose the new crap-vibe?
Talking out of both side of your mouth.

I can see where the misunderstanding is. I am not quoting it because I agree 100% with her writing (truly, her writing is obnoxious) but because it illustrates an interesting point. There are trends, and when they abruptly change the obnoxious 'trendy' people feel they need to keep up, while the rest of us who liked the trend for the substance of the trend see no reason to move on. You didn't like where D&D was going. I respect that. There was a 'vibe shift' and you feel that it was BS and you had no reason to follow it.

(the quote wasn't meant to attack you, just to point something I thought added meaning to the conversation)

 

[The Heretic]

I didn't care about canon in a cultist way..it was a good movie that captured the spirit the franchise much in the same way Manadlorian did---which also exposes the lie about untouchable backstory.

Lol, I don't care that you reject it. It is a fact that Solo didn't do that well at the box office and I am explaining why. I happened to share that view.

The Mandalorian is something new. The Mandalorian is not a character that people have known and loved for 45+ years. And the immediate post-RotJ era isn't exactly canon, either. It is an interesting show. It also dovetails nicely into another one of my theories. Star Wars is at its best when the characters are on the run, by themselves (A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back). When they are part of a larger organization that's when things get boring (RotJ, the prequels, the sequel trilogy).

 

[Hemlock]

I'm thinking about starting my kids with the BECMI red-box as a great set of training wheels.

That was my first actual D&D experience as a kid! (Playing Powers and Perils with a friend in first grade predates that, but mostly just involved me getting disintegrated. I didn't even get to do anything.)

I think the Red Box art is terrific at creating an atmosphere, and getting rules only for levels 1-3 keeps complexity low while creating curiosity and a hunger for more and higher levels.

I think that's a terrific choice for teaching kids.

 

[squeen]

For a point of reference, I went through Doctor Who from Baker on-wards surrounded by friends who were rabid fans. With each new incarnation, I called it as I saw it---garbage versus quality.

I will now pompously say that history has proven me to be mostly correct in my real-time Whovian judgements. I have a reasonably acute shit-detector. And by "shit" I mean things that are just not made well...it's almost independent of whether I personally like its style or not.

"What is quality Phaedrus?"

 

[The Heretic]

I think the Red Box art is terrific at creating an atmosphere, and getting rules only for levels 1-3 keeps complexity low while creating curiosity and a hunger for more and higher levels.

There's a reason why it's been emulated over the years. 5e has a version, don't they? Pathfinder also released something like it for 1e (and maybe even 2e, I'm not sure).

 

[squeen]

Wait a second! I thought we were going from B/X to 3e nostolgia...do we HAVE to take a pit-stop in Metzner's BECMI daydream?