Rat King’s Sewer

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• "Wererats in a sewer" is just the upper-lower-level version of "orcs in a hole". Both adventure types are predicated on misguided naturalism, have been done to death in the last 40+ years, and need to be retired for at least a decade or so.

  • Yeah, that's old and overall not in a "bringing back a classic" sort of way. Not to mention that half the time the "were" part gets either forgotten and they end up as rat-themed humanoids. Or ridiculously overdone where every person underground might as well be a wererat AND rogue just waiting for an opportunity to backstab you.

    With MAYBE some creativity and theming it might perhaps get interesting or at least entertaining - but no one being creative starts with “Wererats in a sewer”, right? Least of all Frog God folk trying to trick customers under a different label...

  • Just because a lot of people make shitty hamburgers (like my grandma) doesn't mean hamburgers are bad and need to be retired

    • Not a fan of Gramburgers??

      • You might get better burgers if you used younger people for your meat. Admittedly, they are harder to catch unless your grandmother was unusually spry.

  • How about "wererats in a caravan?"

    Or "wererats in a carnival?"

    ;)

    • There are 3 reasons to use a lycanthrope in a module:

      (1) they are hidden, and the challenge is to figure out who is a lycanthrope;

      (2) the risk of the curse of lycanthropy, which drives play if somebody might have been infected;

      (3) you want a regenerating combat opponent and the party is too low level for trolls.

      "Wererats in the sewers" defaults to (3), and is overdone and not that interesting to begin with. The curse has been sufficiently nerfed in 5e that it is really not much more than an inconvenience, so (2) is no longer a serious option.

      That leaves (1) as the only remaining option that has any potential to be interesting at all. Which clearly should not take place in a sewer, since you need sufficient non-lycanthrope humanoids around for the lycanthropes to blend in. You could have an encounter with wererats in a sewer, disguised as public works workers or some such, but if *everyone* is a wererat in disguise then no wererats are really in disguise.

      It will necessarily have a strong social element. The Thing is a better example of this than most werewolf fiction.

      • I think "wereats in a sewer" is officially a D&D cliche.

        How about a secret wererat society infiltrating positions of power so they can feast off the fat of the land, essentially replacing cultists with wererats (or having the wererats themselves be the cultists worshipping some terrible deity of vermin and disease (perhaps Lankhmar's Rat God or even Mordiggian!), led by an evil wereat cleric) - or -

        The wererats are passing themselves off servants of a funereal deity, co-opting the temple, feasting on the dead, launching empty funereal barges. Essentially, they can replace ghouls which are also over-used, with tunnels worming throughout the city's cemeteries and cisterns as they cultivate a plague.

        Yes, I think (1) is all that works. The thrust of using lycanthropes is the hidden aspect of the monster.

        • Spreading a plague they themselves are immune to is a cool idea!

        • You could probably do something interesting with both ghouls and wererats in the same adventure. Have the ghouls be a legit but frightening part of the city's funeral customs, disposing of bodies so there's no need to bury or burn them in exchange for not preying on citizenry. Then along come the wererats doing the plague-spreading plan with an eye toward driving out the survivors and building their own all-rat city. Gnawed bodies start showing up in the streets, as well as corpses of plague victims who aren't getting funeral rites. The party needs to figure out whether the ghouls are being framed for spreading the disease so they don't interfere with things, or if they've decided to co-operate with the rats because short-lived wererats will feed them even better than the current arrangement. Maybe the PCs even need to negotiate with them on the subject. Everyone loves talking with undead, right?

      • Wonderful advice! Thanks!

• Make a new module contest with "wererats in the sewers" being the theme. Ha!

  • http://bxblackrazor.blogspot.com/2021/12/year-of-rat-results-and-updates.html

• What happened to the good Necromancer Games of Old? The guys who published great modules like Vault of Larin Karr, Crucible of Freya / Tomb of Abysthor or Lost City of Barakus?

  • All the old Stoneheart Valley stuff was actually from Bill Webb's home campaign of many years, IIRC. So I imagine those modules had been refined over years of play! The latest stuff... probably not.

  • Barakus and Larin Karr were W.B. Kenower, Freya/Tomb of Abysthor and original Rappan was mostly Clark Petersen I think. Bill Webb seems kinda low IQ tbh, I doubt he contributed significantly to the Necro classics.

    • As Larin Karr was pretty damn good, even as a 3rd ed module (to the point that I'd love a S&W conversion of it), now I'm really curious as to how Barakus comes across.

• As soon as I saw the title I laughed, knowing how excited it must have made you.

  You should still review The Lost City of Barakus though, as that's old Bill Webb Necromancer material that was done up for S&W in 2014, not this newer 5th ed castoff stuff.

  • "The Lost City of Barakus though, as that’s old Bill Webb Necromancer material"

    The author of Barakus is W.D.B Kenower, who also wrote Larin Karr. Webb contributed a couple of rather lame and dorky wilderness encounters to the S&W version of Barakus, one a wizard named "Jimmy Dean" and the other "Don't Go Into The Tall Grass (because Bill Webb loves that phrase)"

• Aw, drag. I was hoping for a review of Frog God/Necromancer's new redux version of Gygax's Necropolis. The Kickstarter just fulfilled and the PDF is on DriveThru, but it's $30 with no preview. They did a S&W and a 5e version which makes me nervous - not in combat/encounter scaling sense, but in the conversion of treasure and handling ability check-type rolls. Has anyone gotten, read, or played through it yet?

  • I was hoping to see that one as well: as a conversion of a Gygax piece, and even the conversion being rooted in a separate conversion from 15 years ago, I think it's very much worth taking a look at, especially because of the price. I hope Bryce reconsiders.

  • Apparently it's Gygax's Necropolis in name only and lacks the teeth of both the Dangerous Journeys and 3e versions
    https://mystical-trash-heap.blogspot.com/2021/07/gary-gygaxs-necropolis-ad-conversion.html

• The opening story about the big gemstone getting carried off into the sewer may be convoluted and pointless here, but you could make a pretty decent adventure around the concept of every ne'er-do-well in the city going sewer diving in search of an easy-to-carry, hard-to-fence treasure like that. The players can get caught between competing treasure hunter groups who are behaving as badly as any PC murder hobo, heavily-armed sewer workers, and whatever normally dwells down there that's pissed to see all these trespassers. Screw rats, go with albino gator-men. Those sewer workers aren't heavily-armed for the fun of it.

  Shame Necromancer wasted that potential.

• What a cover! The pecs on the rat king! The tits on the rat queen! What the hell...

  • I instantly registered it as a Frazetta reference. But which piece specifically?

    • This one? https://www.tomosygrapas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/conan.jpg

      • I don't think that's him, it looks like an homage to The Barbarian