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Funny... from my position, you're the one tilting at the windmill of inclusion, kindness and empathy as if it were some cancer on society. A casual observer would mark you a sociopath, except sociopaths don't *fear* empathy quite as much as you do.

Keep on clutching those pearls, squeen! Those folk are always the happiest! /s
 
squeen said:
I did not enjoy ROP at all. Make of that what you will.
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I don't enjoy it either. But not because of "modernist uber-compassion" or "faux compassion" - (sidenote: why do you hate compassion squeen? Isn't compassion a good thing? Do you hate generosity and thoughtfulness also?)

I don't like ROP because new stuff based on old stuff pretty much always sucks. It's always a matter of high expectations, not doing the source justice, producer meddling, director inexperience, and general writing weakness. Just fact. It's not a cultural zeitgeist - sometimes stuff just sucks because people make sucky shit.
See also: anything Star Wars after the original trilogy, anything Star Trek after DS9, anything set in Middle Earth after Lord of the Rings (i.e. ROP), etc.
 
You just asked me a variant of the "When did you stop beating your wife?" question.

We all love compassion. That's why it is used as an attack vector to get folks to acquiesces to some very dark and barbarous things.
 
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You just asked me a variant of the "When did you stop beating you wife?" question.
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If we keep to the analogy, it's more akin to you declaring "the problem with shows today is a modernist agenda of non-wifebeating; makes for poor theatre", and me confronting that statement.
 
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... It is essentially unpalatable to the modernist that a weakness of internal character can be the culprit---that's a framing too judgemental for the current pop-culture. A tendency to portray all as blameless victims of fate, with an odd Sauron/Hitler psycho popping up here-or-there to sir things up.

Whether or not the modernist's uber-compassionate world-view to is correct, it inevitably makes for poor theater. Takes all the bite out of tragedy if the sad result could not have been avoided & no one is to blame. I think we have been drunk on the wine of faux compassion for some time now. Perhaps the pendulum will swing in the other direction for a bit. While that can have unwanted real-world repercussions, at least the fiction might not suck quite so hard.
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Ironically, my problem with modern cinema is that there is too much wife-beating.
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I was just gonna let you two fight it out, but now I'm really curious about what media you are consuming @squeen, because I'm not seeing any of this.

Also, a time frame for "modern" in this context would be helpful.
 
Look, I'll cringe at that stuff as much as the next guy (Avengers Endgame "ladies, assemble!" battle scene comes to mind), but to extrapolate it as a full-blown trend of the times is... shortsighted.

According to IMDB there were 19,740 films released in 2024 alone (and that's just *films*, not even TV series) - to ascribe the themes of 3 films as a "worrying modernist trend" applied to the entirety of all films is not only a skewed viewpoint, it's also just factually wrong.

0.0001% does not a majority make. When you contextualize your issues, sometimes you can realize how small they really are.
 
If what you say is true, then I'm just exceptionally unlucky in my media picks. I don't buy it.
 
Yes, you've quoted that a few times, and are (perhaps unironically) very good at adhering to said command.

Again, do you think IMDB is lying, that only feminine-centric films are being produced? That of the nearly fifteen thousand movies released in a single year, that every one of them has feminist leanings and are too woke for their own good?

Why are you rejecting the evidence of your eyes and ears?
 
Beoric said:
Captain Marvel and Barbie weren't your picks.
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Squeen's kids are Deep State, confirmed! Squeen, they've clearly stolen your sperm to push their leftist agenda! Making you watch all this bleeding heart, pro-inclusivity propaganda disguised as movies... you should probably ship them to El Salvador, just to be safe!

Remember, don't trust your eyes and ears! It's the Final Command!
 
@DP: Knowing as I do now, that you are a professional propagandist/bullshit-er, it explains a lot about how you argue. It's very hard for me to take anything you say as seriously genuine, or (to be honest) feel it's worth my time debating you. You are, by definition, an un-elected state bureaucrat who seeks to influence the electorate rather than execute its will---and that's really all the Deep State is: the managerial class and their lackeys.

@Beoric : Just random examples. Doesn't really matter who picks it. If the movie was made 2015-2023 (and was big-budget?), there is a 80%+ chance it will contain a "critical X theory" (sub)theme: where X is gender, race, etc. Maybe that's what most folks enjoy swallowing these days, but I've grown quite sensitive to it. Enough of the toxicity has accumulated in my system due to overexposure that I've developed an allergic reaction. I believe such topics are intended to break down a culture/system to make it pliable. It's no accident. I've been learning a bit of 19th century history, and it's exactly what colonial empires strategically did to indigenous groups to keep them manageable. Nothing new.

Anywho, back to the article you asked for comments on: I read it. Thanks for posting it. That was my $0.02. Not going to change my mind. Presumably you posted it to hear other people's point of view. Done.
 
squeen said:
You are, by definition, an un-elected state bureaucrat who seeks to influence the electorate rather than execute its will---and that's really all the Deep State is: the managerial class and their lackeys.
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And you are, by definition, completely paranoid. You see puppeteers in the shadows and agendas in the clouds. You think everyone with an ounce of authority is out to get you. You only listen to specific sources (who tell you to deny all other sources - yeah, that's not suspicious at all...), and then project your echo chamber insecurities onto the world. Classic manipulation victim, textbook case of paranoia, perfect example of psychological projection. Truly your kind will be a case study in future Psychology/Sociology textbooks, assuming your orange god-emperor doesn't command you to burn them all (oh, but you blindly trust him, the world's most prolific liar... makes total sense!).

Frankly, I'm glad you don't want to "debate" me. It's like "debating" a flat-earther, anti-vaxxer, or Scientologist... people who plug their ears to facts and bathe in the Kool-aid. Your kind cannot be steered back to sanity, and I am tired of pretending that you can be. Some folk are just lost causes, and sadly you are one of them.
 
I'm also not a propagandist, you absolute lunatic! Civil servants are just normal people, not some shadowy cabal. Unless I can somehow control minds using Microsoft Excel, nothing I do could ever be construed as "influencing the electorate". As a federal worker, I'm not even allowed to talk about who I vote for, let alone try to manipulate anyone into voting a certain way (which you might know if you ever actually met a civil servant in real life, and didn't just parrot talking points from other crazy people who have never worked for a government before). You have no fucking clue.

Pleading for sanity is not propaganda.
 
squeen said:
I believe such topics are intended to break down a culture/system to make it pliable. It's no accident. I've been learning a bit of 19th century history, and it's exactly what colonial empires strategically did to indigenous groups to keep them manageable. Nothing new.
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Dude, I'm in the business to know these things and I have no idea what history you are talking about.

EDIT: Thinking about what you might be getting at, governments did force Indigenous kids into schools to try to "kill the Indian in the child," but they weren't doing that by making them woke. They were doing that by forcing them to learn about a culture that was not their own, but was a culture that you, yourself, identify with and think is right and proper.

And if you think being forced to attend a boarding school where you were subject to physical, mental and sexual abuse, and receiving that same abuse if you practiced your language or culture, is equivalent to movies being made that you don't have to watch, actually, and that have a theme you disagree with, I really don't know what to say to you.
 
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